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And others bought the game so they could enjoy clean racing, without having their experience ruined because some people refuse to make even the minimum effort before racing against others.

If you don't know the track, don't know the car, you're playing with a controller, and you're struggling to keep the car on the circuit, then what's the point of jumping into online races with other players?
 
Create a server, gather with friends, and set your own rules. 397 Studio is incredibly stupid; they live in a democracy, yet they're greedy for money. They sell their copies to unfriendly countries, yet ban the use of their country's flag or ban gamepad users who abandon races. They'd be better off focusing on optimization, which hasn't happened in 2.5 years. You're talking about practice servers, which don't work separately from races. Sometimes people only have about 5 minutes before a race, and then the practice servers are unavailable. Greed again. Buy a subscription. First, 397 abandoned their users with rF2, sold us a ton of content ahead of LMU's release, and now, having established a strong presence and user support, they're starting to hand out bans left and right. One day, they'll shoot themselves in the foot.
 
PushkaGonka has a point. If you really don't want to make any effort for the sake of other players, then just create your own server. That way there's no issue and you can invite only the people who are happy to watch you hit every wall around the circuit.
 
A lot of these bans are newer drivers, they make mistakes thry spin, they misjudge, is banning them for days or weeks really a productive thing to do?

I suppose it might make them drive carefully, but this is papering cracks for a crappy blame system anyway, we all know it doesn't really work fairly.

Quite honestly, if a guy spins in lap 1 in front of a pack, and is hit by a few cars, rendering him a likely ban, is that really fair?

This game and it's devoted fanboys seem to love saying its all about realism, you would not be prevented from racing if you had a few minor contacts or spins or off tracks, you might get a talking to and a few penalties, that's all.

I just think it is very heavy handed and needless to ban people from playing a game, it's like someone taking your phone off you or taking your music or a book away, it is nanny state nonsense.

I get why it has been introduced, but I think there are far better ways to educate and improve driving standards.

A decent training and tutorial area for one, if you enforce the likely penalties there before they get online, it would help
 
Let's compare to another scenario.

You go to your local karting track, it's mandatory to attend the safety briefing before you head out on track. So a person attends this, doesn't listen or pay attention.

They then go out on track and break all the rules mentioned in the briefing. The stewards black flag this driver and ask him to come off the track. They ask them to step out of car ("removing access to something they paid for") because they blatantly didn't listen or understand the briefing and are putting themself and others at risk, spoiling other drivers enjoyment in the process.

Are the stewards wrong?
 
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First of all, people need to stop acting as if it's incredibly easy to get banned. Since the badge system was introduced, things have improved, but there are still plenty of aggressive drivers out there, so contact is far from being automatically punished.
The system looks at your last 10 races. If you're having major incidents in every single one of those 10 races, then I'm sorry, but the problem probably isn't everyone else.
On top of that, the online mode is competitive.
Private servers exist if you just want to do your own thing, but in the competitive mode, a minimum level of commitment is expected.
Everyone has the right to be a beginner, but there's a right way to go about it.
In any competitive activity, you progress through different levels before reaching stronger competition. LMU is no different.
The Driver Rating (and the badge system) gradually places you with people of a similar skill level, so you end up racing where you belong and can enjoy close competition against appropriate opponents. But for that system to work, you first have to make the minimum effort to learn the tracks and understand the game.
That's how virtually everything in life works... so why should LMU be any different?
 
What nonsense are you talking about 😂 A bunch of underdeveloped developers decided they were tired of manually handling incidents. 3.5 disabled people can't hire another 1.5 people to handle the reports. If you returned to the track unsafely and ruined the race for several participants, you won't be penalized, I emphasize, nothing! I've raised this issue multiple times, both on the forum and in the official Discord channel. And if you've been regularly losing ratings over the past few races without bothering anyone, and the system automatically banned you, that's perfectly normal!
 
PushkaGonka said:
And if you've been regularly losing ratings over the past few races without bothering anyone, and the system automatically banned you, that's perfectly normal!
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Do you have precise proof of that?

As you said yourself just before, to end up in the most dangerous 0.1% over a span of 10 races, you probably have to do a lot more than just hit a few walls... ;)
 
If there are people who are intentionally taking people out and destroying races fair enough.

But from what I have read, it is not hard to get banned if you are a little unlucky and perhaps new to this rather rigorous and punitive ban system.

I guess there are softer limits in bronze, or I would hope so.

Either way, if you have bought a product and some bad luck or simple learning , which I believe is all part of playing a new game, means you get a ban, I think that is a little unfair.

If you can show me that the only people geing banned are intent wreckers and people who just have no respect at all, I will change my view.
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Drivers with any sort of involvment with really bad skills will also probably get banned, but not for ever, imo.

There is a few solutions for those unlucky drivers :
Work solo for a moment until consistency "on track"
Use helps on brake or else

Drivers not willing to improve to a bare minimum will be potentially excluded and on purpose.

I see people driving quite well on XBox pads.
These guys are legends and don't get banned.
 
PushkaGonka said:
What nonsense are you talking about 😂 A bunch of underdeveloped developers decided they were tired of manually handling incidents. 3.5 disabled people can't hire another 1.5 people to handle the reports. If you returned to the track unsafely and ruined the race for several participants, you won't be penalized, I emphasize, nothing! I've raised this issue multiple times, both on the forum and in the official Discord channel. And if you've been regularly losing ratings over the past few races without bothering anyone, and the system automatically banned you, that's perfectly normal!
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I don't think that comparison is really necessary is it. You can get your point across without bring "disabled people" into it (for some reason?).
 
For me it's interesting that the people who most loudly (and often, in my view, overly aggressively) say that someone who copped a ban needs to look at their own behaviour, are the same people who recently got a badge ban and then changed the way they approach it.

To be clear, I've seen this many times on discord, less so here. My earlier posts in this thread are my usual approach, pointing out that it's the same for everyone so people getting a ban are either a) very unlucky in this instance, or b) can work to make their races a bit cleaner on average and probably avoid any future bans. (probably a little from both columns)

I don't agree with the way the reformed bannees (yes I'm making up a word) go at it, but they're also closest to the coalface.
 
robevery1971 said:
If you can show me that the only people geing banned are intent wreckers and people who just have no respect at all, I will change my view.
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Well... logically, if people who intentionally and repeatedly cause accidents aren't getting banned, then it seems impossible that someone who's simply "unlucky" would get banned without doing anything dangerous to other drivers... unless you can show me otherwise ;)

I still remember someone posting here claiming they had received a warning and insisting it was completely unfair. They even uploaded three videos to demonstrate their "bad luck." In two of those videos, they were flat out on corner exit despite a clearly visible yellow flag, with a spinning car right ahead that was visible both on screen. At no point did they even lift off the throttle on his HUD, even though the stranded car was easy to see because it was well beyond the corner exit.

Or, more recently, I had someone threaten to report me because I had supposedly "driven into them" while attempting a divebomb. The reality was that I had a faster pace, and before the braking zone I was already right on their rear bumper. I'd observed them over several laps and knew they braked earlier than I did. As I moved alongside to outbrake them, they braked and turned into me at the same time. In other words, they changed direction under braking and genuinely didn't see anything wrong with it. I imagine that person experiences a lot of these so-called "unfair" incidents.

My point is simply this: it's impossible to take these kinds of claims at face value without seeing the video evidence and the full context. ;)
 
My takeaway is that the calculation SHOULD BE ADJUSTED.
An early DNF says (almost) nothing about driving standards, yet it's impact on the badge is immense
 
Well, an early DNF can say a lot if it happens as the player blasts down inside everyone at La Source or into the Dunlop chicane and causes carnage. You can be perpetrator or victim in these circumstances…..
 
Atomic Andi said:
My takeaway is that the calculation SHOULD BE ADJUSTED.
An early DNF says (almost) nothing about driving standards, yet it's impact on the badge is immense
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That, on the other hand, I find hard to believe.
Starting from a Rookie badge with zero races completed, I reached the first badge after just 8 races, despite having 2 DNFs. I even have the screenshots if needed.
The Safety Rating (SR) does take a bit more of a hit, though..but that's understandable.
 
Let me give you an example, this did not affect ratings.

I was in a Hy only server,no tyre warm up, so need a couple of laps to dial in.

I was doing this, saw P2 behind, slowed and moved over slightly and the guy just misjudged and rammed me from behind.

Racing accident really.

I was Dq from server then received a volley of abuse as this cretin was hosting. There are people out there on a hair trigger of volatility, and the slightest thing can set them off.

If this was ranked he would have reported me no doubt, saying I brake tested etc, I would never report the abuse and in all honesty gave as good as I got quite rightly as it was just as much his fault.

But a nothing incident can escalate wuth the wrong people
 
GaetanL said:
That, on the other hand, I find hard to believe.
Starting from a Rookie badge with zero races completed, I reached the first badge after just 8 races, despite having 2 DNFs. I even have the screenshots if needed.
The Safety Rating (SR) does take a bit more of a hit, though..but that's understandable.
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Not sure if I misunderstand, but everyone has to do 10 races before getting a badge. Until then you get a rookie badge.

Unfortunately the system confusingly doesn't count DNFs as races.

Andi would be referring to the effect on the badge (ie the rank), not attaining a non-rookie badge.
 
Here's what I did, because I wanted to see whether the lower splits were really as disastrous as some people make them out to be.

My plan was to sacrifice my first three races in order to drop down the splits. I took pole position twice so I could observe the race starts (which, by the way, were completely fine), then I deliberately took two DNFs to avoid gaining any Driver Rating. For the third race, instead of retiring again, I simply made a very long pit stop to finish last because I thought repeated DNFs might hurt my badge too much but apparently they didn't.

After that, I tried starting from the back, the middle, and the front of the grid to see how things would unfold. In Split 17 out of 23, I intentionally qualified around the middle of the field.

Honestly, the racing was pretty clean. The beginners certainly made mistakes, but they were clearly doing their best to avoid major contact. There were still a few clumsy moments (only two drivers moved under braking, and I only saw one or two divebombs), but once I got back to Split 1 on my 11th race, that actually turned out to be the least clean race of my entire test.

I reached the blue badge after my 8th race (the screenshot shows 9 races, but I had already earned it before then, there wasn't a notification like there was after the tenth race), and the green badge after my 10th.

@Lazza Did the two DNFs in my first races somehow affect how the badge system was calculated?


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