PLZ do better Schedule in dailys

[llisep]

This week scheduling on the daily races are really bad.
Just today had to wait 15 min for the begginers race and when i finish i had the same race and had to wait another 15 min decided to go to intermidiante and go figures another 15 min wait. Did the Intermidiant and when i finish had begginer race that had to wait for 15 min and intermidiant was like half an hour and the advance was 58 min. So i stop racing.
Since you put 3 races in begginers the schedules are always with an interval instead of race one and after finishing hop on another.
And why todays weekly was only one race at 22:00 BST, looks like you dont want ppl in your game.
Plzzzzzzzzzz do better math.

 

[PaulG]

I agree - Think of us streamers that want to do 4+ hour streams - we want to be able to bounce from race to race - NOT wait around for 15-20 minutes for the next race

 

[karakartal]

It is very boring to return to the same tracks for a week at silver and gold levels. Why are different tracks not implemented every day?

 

[PaulG]

I disagree.
It gives people chance to learn the track/conditions

This formula is used by other sims and by outside bodies that run national leagues (mentioning no names of course)

 

[llisep]

It is very boring to return to the same tracks for a week at silver and gold levels. Why are different tracks not implemented every day?

The problem is with the scheduling that's why you get the same track on intermidiant race.
They need to be more creative I agree.
For me:

• Beginner if they want keep the 3 races should be GT3/ GTE/ LMP2 not forcing the Mustang on ppl.
• Beginner should be 20 min/ Intermidiante 40 min/ advance 60min races.
• Weeklys and special events minimum of 90 min

I dont understand why advance races dont have a pit stop when in intermidiante you are forced to do one.
A stint is not related with the pit stops, but the time one's pass driving the car. A stint can have a pit stop for fuel. At least in WEC that is the case the driver swap is on the 2nd pitstop if the driver does not extend his stint.

I'm Ok with 3/2/1 races per difficulty, since the more time u race the harder is to do scheduling and if done right you can have alot of diferent racing in between.

I agree with Paul give ppl a way of learning the track and conditions.
You have iRacing for example that each series runs the same track for the all week, of course you have alot of diferent series in iRacing that promote diversity. ACC with LFM runs 2 tracks every week on GT3 (since very few ppl race diferent series).

Like I said the model is good they just need to get the scheduling right, special if you run big tracks like Spa and Le Man that the quali time some times is not enough or you have a long time to finish, for example Le Man if the last guy pass the finish line with 1 sec of the end of the session you have to wait 4+ min to start the race, that time is not included in the event time. They give some sort of a buffer but not enough.

 

[Coxroach1]

Agreed, the schedule wasn't great at beginner level. If I started at Spa in the LMP2 I could never do it again and keep racing in between as the others take too long to get back to register, have to sit around and miss a race then pick it again. Not ideal.

 

[llisep]

So, I'm back to this topic... and sorry for being persistent, but I noticed you "fixed" the schedule for beginner races. Please, make sure the races don't exceed 35 minutes in total so they fit into the 40-minute interval.


Now, regarding the intermediate races: you can't have a 58–60 minute event when the next race of a different type is only 40 minutes apart. It's important for players to have variety instead of playing the same track over and over again. Ideally, there should be at least a 65 to 70-minute gap.


Also, why are the weekly races only happening on Friday and Sunday? It doesn't make sense not to have them on Saturday too. Friday is still a workday for many people, and Sunday is often reserved for family time. Saturday would be the perfect day for a weekly event. I would suggest keeping the weeklies running from Friday through Sunday.

 

[xyz.asdf]

We already had 2 variants of three Beginners races schedule - every 20 minutes (same race every 60 minutes) and every 30 minutes (same race every 90 minutes). 1st variant is better for driving same race every hour. Whole event takes about 40 minutes (practice, qualifying, gridding, race, results generation) and we have break for 15-20 minutes until next race. If needed, we can see replay or practice several laps.
Streamers would ask for repeating 3 Beginners races in 15 minutes (same race every 45 minutes), but it will not be best for most, because it will remove the break time and we will have to go from one race directly to another.
I am aware of Weekly races, because yesterday I tried it for 1st time and I was kicked out of race during 1st lap and scored in the end of field loosing DR a lot.
This week these races are placed Wed Fri Sun which is OK for me. I tried it on Friday, if it was successful I would repeat it on Sunday but it wasn't.

 

[PaulG]

The above makes no sense when you look at the Intermediate races. You CANT race the other race in Intermediate unless you want an over an hour break ?!?!
As it is you have 20 minutes to wait to enter the SAME race.
Just start them both on the hour - then you can race both without a ludacris wait time

 

[llisep]

We already had 2 variants of three Beginners races schedule - every 20 minutes (same race every 60 minutes) and every 30 minutes (same race every 90 minutes). 1st variant is better for driving same race every hour. Whole event takes about 40 minutes (practice, qualifying, gridding, race, results generation) and we have break for 15-20 minutes until next race. If needed, we can see replay or practice several laps.
Streamers would ask for repeating 3 Beginners races in 15 minutes (same race every 45 minutes), but it will not be best for most, because it will remove the break time and we will have to go from one race directly to another.
I am aware of Weekly races, because yesterday I tried it for 1st time and I was kicked out of race during 1st lap and scored in the end of field loosing DR a lot.
This week these races are placed Wed Fri Sun which is OK for me. I tried it on Friday, if it was successful I would repeat it on Sunday but it wasn't.

The issue with the Beginner races is that, for example, when you have a long track like Le Mans, the event exceeds 40 minutes. A 5-minute qualifying session is not enough for everyone to complete a lap, and even for those who do, it takes around 4 minutes to finish. When that happens, the rotation gets unsynchronized and players end up waiting a lot to race the same track again.

With the current Beginner rotation, I was able to do 6 races in 4 hours, running each one twice.

Regarding the Intermediate races, what Paul mentioned will definitely help players choose better. The only point I would add is that races should be spaced out to maximize the splits and allow players to compete against others of a similar skill level, instead of always racing in top split.

By the way, you can't practice the second Intermediate race unless you are a subscriber, while the race you just finished is still running.

You mentioned streamers — and yes, it doesn't help them either. They would have to sit for 20–30 minutes doing nothing, just chatting. Most of them don't even stream Beginner races.

Also, some players have very limited playtime. Why should they be forced to wait and race the same track again? In many cases, they’ll just shut down the game — I’ve done that myself.

Personally, if I want to practice, I create a custom weekend race with 1 hour of practice and 100% AI difficulty. It’s basically the same experience, and it allows better learning.

What I'm trying to discuss here is how to maximize players' time and options without forcing them to subscribe.

Of course, at the end of the day, these are just opinions — and that’s why we discuss them in forums. Thanks for your input!

 

[PaulG]

The intermediate races have never been synchronised and they still are not - despite many complaints on here.

And the 3 minute practice ?!? Absolutely pointless, you get to drive the track with cold tyres - very helpful,,,,,not!

Just add the 3 minutes to the qually time

 

[AlanR_77]

The above makes no sense when you look at the Intermediate races. You CANT race the other race in Intermediate unless you want an over an hour break ?!?!
As it is you have 20 minutes to wait to enter the SAME race.
Just start them both on the hour - then you can race both without a ludacris wait time

Then you can still be waiting almost an hour if you are unfortunate enough to login just after a race has started.
You are always going to get a problem with timings when there is a 1hr even, unless they are run ever 15 or 20 minutes. From what I have seen there aren't enough drivers to warrant that right now.
One inter race every 75 mins is probably perfect for some, and a real pain for others. One inter race every 40 minutes is perfect for the others but a pain for some.
The community really should try and be respectful of that challenge of balancing; behind the scenes I am sure they can see user demand, hourly spikes, popular tracks and races etc, and will continue to fine tune and experiment. Saying x and y sucks and must do better really isn't helping without constructive suggestions.

And the 3 minute practice ?!? Absolutely pointless, you get to drive the track with cold tyres - very helpful,,,,,not!

Just add the 3 minutes to the qually time

The way I see it, the practice time is simply a way to allow drivers the time to join the server (and make basic setup changes) before the qualifying session begins. It isn't intended as an actual practice session.

 

[llisep]

The intermediate races have never been synchronised and they still are not - despite many complaints on here.

And the 3 minute practice ?!? Absolutely pointless, you get to drive the track with cold tyres - very helpful,,,,,not!

Just add the 3 minutes to the qually time

Believe that practice, like it happens in iRacing, is just to let ppl in to the server nothing more.

I think iRacing is 2 min practice and a 8 min quali (2laps). on Le Man I don't how it is, quali wise since i don't have the track

 

[PaulG]

Then you can still be waiting almost an hour if you are unfortunate enough to login just after a race has started.
You are always going to get a problem with timings when there is a 1hr even, unless they are run ever 15 or 20 minutes. From what I have seen there aren't enough drivers to warrant that right now.
One inter race every 75 mins is probably perfect for some, and a real pain for others. One inter race every 40 minutes is perfect for the others but a pain for some.
The community really should try and be respectful of that challenge of balancing; behind the scenes I am sure they can see user demand, hourly spikes, popular tracks and races etc, and will continue to fine tune and experiment. Saying x and y sucks and must do better really isn't helping without constructive suggestions.


The way I see it, the practice time is simply a way to allow drivers the time to join the server (and make basic setup changes) before the qualifying session begins. It isn't intended as an actual practice session.

I did make suggestions. I’m not the only one who doesn’t see any sense in the Intermediate schedule as it is.
Your argument about having to wait an hour for a race also fails - because how many people want to do just one race? And if you know they start on the hour every hour, you wouldn’t look to join at say half past

And I get that the practice is for people to join etc,,, but why should the people who join when the server opens have to wait those 3 minutes. Just add it to qually time / it doesn’t stop people joining just because qually is running

 

[Woodee]

I did make suggestions. I’m not the only one who doesn’t see any sense in the Intermediate schedule as it is.
Your argument about having to wait an hour for a race also fails - because how many people want to do just one race? And if you know they start on the hour every hour, you wouldn’t look to join at say half past

And I get that the practice is for people to join etc,,, but why should the people who join when the server opens have to wait those 3 minutes. Just add it to qually time / it doesn’t stop people joining just because qually is running

Practice is for player joining. Qually is for qually. Also means there are no game pauses for anyone during qually when players are joining. Makes zero sense that drivers should lose qually time just because they might have a slower PC and slower loading into the server.

 

[PaulG]

Practice is for player joining. Qually is for qually. Also means there are no game pauses for anyone during qually when players are joining. Makes zero sense that drivers should lose qually time just because they might have a slower PC and slower loading into the server.

Yeah true. Valid points

I’m just an impatient streamer

 

[xyz.asdf]

So on next week we have 60-minutes interval between same Beginner races again. And they are only 2, not 3 races per hour. Time to practice or view replay between races.
In Intermediates we have HY-only Sprint at Spa, 20-minutes race repeating every 120 minutes. Impossible to make back-to-back races because of 40-minutes waiting.
Only good thing is in Advanced - 60-minutes race repeating every 80 minutes. Here it's ideal, but it's difficult to repeat 60-minutes race.

 

[PaulG]

So on next week we have 60-minutes interval between same Beginner races again. And they are only 2, not 3 races per hour. Time to practice or view replay between races.
In Intermediates we have HY-only Sprint at Spa, 20-minutes race repeating every 120 minutes. Impossible to make back-to-back races because of 40-minutes waiting.
Only good thing is in Advanced - 60-minutes race repeating every 80 minutes. Here it's ideal, but it's difficult to repeat 60-minutes race.

Exactly my point. Doing intermediate races only is impossible - even if you want to mix in advanced races

All I’m asking is for the intermediate to be better spaced so you can actually do one after the other (even if you have to wait ten minutes)

 

[xyz.asdf]

As I see, they are bored with overcrowded Beginners races.
Good thing is HY-only races in Intermediates - I will try it for 1st time.
Honestly, even LMP2 is too fast for me (raced it in Le Mans and Algarve), I am almost 47 YO so I think HY will be no good for me.

 

[Buck75]

I wish they would just add a separate category for each type of car and cycle the races.
Category for LMGT3, PT, and HY - and then one mixed with all 3.
For each of the 4 types, just make the races 10 mins apart from the previous one...so as example, if you only race GT3, have 2 tracks for the week in the daily's, alternating back and forth and starting every 40 mins.
I don't race PT, and I am not a fan of HY...so racing either GTE or LMGT3 makes the timing alignment weird, and I can't race both back-to-back more than once without a huge break in between.
Not sure why S397 is struggling with the schedule so much...it has been talked about ad nauseum on both Discord and here on the Forum.
It's not complicated...please stop forcing people to race with other vehicle types in the intermediate and advanced categories...not everyone wants to race other classes as these mixed events are often (more so than not), disruptive, and people don't know how to conduct themselves with proper multi-class etiquette.
For all the things I love about LMU...it fails (IMO), in the above regard...ACC and LFM scheduling was/is bliss by comparison.