IMSA DLC

[Steve Lütje]

I'm not sure, if its possible, but it would be absolutely great!!
We need every single possible track, because LMU is very limited on tracks.
(Of course, the cars and liveries would be nice too)

Don't forget to upvote!!

 

[davehenrie]

What are you talking about? Only Barcelona and Paul Ricard are missing from the game.

He is stating the obvious, in a world full of sim titles that have dozens if not hundreds of available tracks, the selection available to LMU users is limited due to the stated focus of the product(The official game of Word Endurance Racing) LMU is not the Official Game of World Endurance Racing and whatever any other group they can cobble together.

So because of the licensing agreements with WEC, only tracks used by that organizing group are allowed.(ELMS and ALMS are also organized by the same FIA/WEC so adding that content is almost natural. IMSA has 'some' connection to ACO/WEC but is actually owned by Nascar. Which means the content under the same umbrella.

When compared to most of the other sim racing titles, having only 12 tracks is catastrophic in the minds of many users.

 

[dom.au23]

The number, once we get the rest of the ELMS and then hopefully ALMS is decent, but a few of them feel very similar.

Bahrain, Qatar, and I imagine Dubai and Abu Dhabi. Silverstone is also quite flat.

I like the imsa tracks because of the elevation changes.

 

[davehenrie]

The number, once we get the rest of the ELMS and then hopefully ALMS is decent, but a few of them feel very similar.

Bahrain, Qatar, and I imagine Dubai and Abu Dhabi. Silverstone is also quite flat.

I like the imsa tracks because of the elevation changes.

Well, in regard to IMSA, very few of it's tracks qualify as Grade 1 circuits. WEC & I assume the cousins ELMS & ALMS also run on the same F1 level tracks. I doubt Road Atlanta, Road America, Long Beach, VIR(WONDERFUL CIRCUIT) etc etc qualify as WEC level environments. Would that be a road block or would the over-all IMSA agreement(even supposing that could happen) allow the inclusion of such tracks?

COTA, INDY, & Sebring should grade out, but very few of the rest. What I DID discover, was the bulk of BTCC tracks, like Thruxton, Knockhill(some of my favorite circuits) rank even lower than most of the IMSA tracks. I absolutely adore bumpy, lumpy, undulating circuits rather than the glass smooth freeways/autobahns that most WEC circuits have become due to F1.

 

[dom.au23]

Well, in regard to IMSA, very few of it's tracks qualify as Grade 1 circuits. WEC & I assume the cousins ELMS & ALMS also run on the same F1 level tracks. I doubt Road Atlanta, Road America, Long Beach, VIR(WONDERFUL CIRCUIT) etc etc qualify as WEC level environments. Would that be a road block or would the over-all IMSA agreement(even supposing that could happen) allow the inclusion of such tracks?

Good point. One I hadn’t considered. Not having anything past ELMS & ALMS isn’t a deal breaker for me.

There’s an argument for fewer tracks hopefully making everyone more familiar and leading to closer racing.

F1 games have more, but not iracing or Acc numbers and it does ok. We have multiple car classes and once done, not far off F1 numbers.

If we get a good single player mode, which is a must for console, we’ll be ok

 

[aaron0288]

Well, in regard to IMSA, very few of it's tracks qualify as Grade 1 circuits. WEC & I assume the cousins ELMS & ALMS also run on the same F1 level tracks. I doubt Road Atlanta, Road America, Long Beach, VIR(WONDERFUL CIRCUIT) etc etc qualify as WEC level environments. Would that be a road block or would the over-all IMSA agreement(even supposing that could happen) allow the inclusion of such tracks?

Why would it be a road block in a game!!??

The only track I’m aware of in IMSA that’s not suited or is simply too dangerous for Hypercar’s is VIR. Regardless, it’s on the calendar for GTD PRO/GTD.

Hypercars run at every other IMSA round (I think). If sims started bringing real life FIA grading levels to circuits so you couldn’t for example run an F1 car round the Nordschleife, well things would have gone very wrong in the world. It would be similar to S397 stopping you from running Hypercar’s on Silverstone currently because there’s no WEC round there (yet…).

 

[DurgeDriven]

Why would it be a road block in a game!!??

I agree with no IMSA for other reasons.
Just because AMS 2 went and released "Lemans" after LMU no reason to do the same.

 

[trichens]

If MSG and ACO do a deal with IMSA then that would be great, but you shouldn't buy a sim dedicated to a specific racing series and then complain that things outside of that aren't included.
It's not as if you can't see what's going to be included and excluded before purchase is it?

 

[dom.au23]

If MSG and ACO do a deal with IMSA then that would be great, but you shouldn't buy a sim dedicated to a specific racing series and then complain that things outside of that aren't included.
It's not as if you can't see what's going to be included and excluded before purchase is it?

Yup.

Im not sure most of us are complaining, more of a nice to have. Since are though, and agree with you.
Easy fix, get ams2 for imsa lol

Once we get the rest of elms and then alms we’ll have a decent selection.

One thing I’d love is to back fill the gte cars with the bmw and Ford.

 

[S-V-S]

If MSG and ACO do a deal with IMSA then that would be great, but you shouldn't buy a sim dedicated to a specific racing series and then complain that things outside of that aren't included.
It's not as if you can't see what's going to be included and excluded before purchase is it?

No one is complaining. Everyone understood perfectly well how many tracks there could be in the game. The question is different! Do the developers want to become the best simulator and take away a part of the huge audience of IRacing? Or do they want to bury their game? With 12 tracks in the game, players prefer only 4-5 tracks, which means that the game is 100% dead. They could have named the game "Le Mans 24 only" and made it with only one track, Le Mans! Would there be any questions for the developers? No! Can we expect such a game to be successful? No, we can't! If 397 wants to achieve success, they need to find a solution as soon as possible. Even the bloggers and friends who initially praised the game are now expressing mixed opinions. They've been playing these five tracks to death! Monza, Spa, Sebring, Le Mans, and occasionally Bahrain, and they're still going strong. It's not a fun experience, believe me.

 

[dom.au23]

The taking player base away ir even having them on lmu more often, is a fair point.

There will be a large amount of players who are on the fence becsuse of the IMSA tracks (and cars). They either play both of stick with iracing.

Player bring more players as numbers increase and racing is closer, more players come, and it snowballs.

It would be great if they could, but I think most understand if it’s difficult, not possible, or not possible yet.

Personal view, find a way to make it work, it’ll pay out in the long run.

I won’t be out for blood if it doesn’t happen though

 

[trichens]

With 12 tracks in the game, players prefer only 4-5 tracks, which means that the game is 100% dead. They've been playing these five tracks to death! Monza, Spa, Sebring, Le Mans, and occasionally Bahrain, and they're still going strong.

At a guess, the online servers are using the base game tracks (Monza, Spa, Sebring, Bahrain, Portimão, Fuji and Le Mans) to avoid the problem of requiring user to have to buy DLC.
I can just imagine, and I'm sure I'm not alone, the uproar and complaints if they were to use tracks only available in the DLC packs for an online event.

 

[dwaltz]

Well the list of grade 1 is not short, but among the othres I would vote: Aragon.
Not seen often, and it held a 2023 ELMS race.

 

[DanWilce]

I hope this comes to light, I love Long Beach and Daytona.

Regarding some of the above comments like "It's a WEC game, why are you complaining there's no IMSA tracks" there's no reason as to why we shouldn't be able to bring WEC to other environments, it's a game end of the day and we should enjoy it how we'd like to enjoy it.

Although far-fetched, why shouldn't somebody be wanting to race a WEC car around a dirt track or something? But with this ludicrous example request aside, I think IMSA tracks are a super reasonable request to make. I just hope licensing agreements don't get in the way.

 

[davehenrie]

I hope this comes to light, I love Long Beach and Daytona.

Regarding some of the above comments like "It's a WEC game, why are you complaining there's no IMSA tracks" there's no reason as to why we shouldn't be able to bring WEC to other environments, it's a game end of the day and we should enjoy it how we'd like to enjoy it.

Although far-fetched, why shouldn't somebody be wanting to race a WEC car around a dirt track or something? But with this ludicrous example request aside, I think IMSA tracks are a super reasonable request to make. I just hope licensing agreements don't get in the way.

Yes, IMSA does make sense, same cars and all. But the WEC is partially funding the development of LMU. Should IMSA get a free ride and piggyback on top of the expenditures that WEC has committed to the product? It is not our wishes so much as what the entities who control the funding. Groups like the WEC do not see LMU as an entertainment product, but an advertising device. Bring more eyes to the series, and the dozens of series sponsors.

 

[dom.au23]

We might get lucky with just Petit Le Mans, because of the name, hahaha

 

[S-V-S]

Should IMSA get a free ride and piggyback on top of the expenditures that WEC has committed to the product?

The question is not properly posed! It can also be viewed from another angle! Can the WEC use the fruits of IMSA? It becomes clear that everyone benefits from this!

 

[DanWilce]

Yes, IMSA does make sense, same cars and all. But the WEC is partially funding the development of LMU. Should IMSA get a free ride and piggyback on top of the expenditures that WEC has committed to the product? It is not our wishes so much as what the entities who control the funding. Groups like the WEC do not see LMU as an entertainment product, but an advertising device. Bring more eyes to the series, and the dozens of series sponsors.

I'd like to believe there's enough WEC stuff in LMU for everybody to know the game is based on WEC. With or without IMSA tracks.

Should IMSA piggyback? Absolutely not. But it's only the tracks, not like we're introducing IMSA advertising, IMSA regulations etc. That would be taking it too far. The point of this post was to take WEC to these other tracks in a virtual environment, not advertise IMSA.
But given your point WEC are using LMU as an advertising device, you raise a good point but also takes me back to my point regarding WEC advertising is everywhere in the game.

 

[S-V-S]

The point of this post was to take WEC to these other tracks in a virtual environment, not advertise IMSA.

I've already mentioned this, but I'll say it again. The game has a catastrophically low number of tracks. It's up to the developers to implement the top-rated and beloved tracks. They've created these limitations for themselves. Now, they need to find a way out of this situation. However, it's crucial to do so. Everyone needs content. Both regular players and bloggers. Unfortunately, without content, there's no game. We don't care if IMSA is in the advertising or not, but we need tracks!

 

[robevery1971]

There is a bond between the ACO and IMSA, an accord if you like. It is why the rules are more standardised, but they are subtly different and in my opinion IMSA do a considerably better job of implementing BoP.

And let's face it, this game is about marketing and making money, which they have done very well with very frequent DLC drops since release.

The next will be ALMS I would expect which is only a few tracks and some liveries, the cars are largely the same.

IMSA may come as I doubt it can be released on its own merit, and I would not be shocked to see a 2027 Christmas or early Jan release due to Daytona.

 

[trichens]

It's up to the developers to implement the top-rated and beloved tracks. They've created these limitations for themselves. Now, they need to find a way out of this situation. However, it's crucial to do so.

This is a akin to complaining that Burger King don't sell Big Mac burgers, or that your local Ford dealer doesn't sell Chevrolet Corvettes.