Emilian Huminiuc
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That's what "Unlike in F1, all you have to do is not defend" means.
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Disregarding blue flags in none race sessions
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RhinomanWC
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I've tried going off the racing line to allow faster cars, whether in my class or not, a chance to overtake. It didn't turn out well in about 60% of the cases. Especially when I'm mid corner I cannot just move out of the way without unsettling the car. If I brake to allow the faster car to pass it can cause a pile up and accidents behind me. I have tried sticking to one side of the track and driving slowly in an effort to let the others know they can pass, but when I reach the part of the track where the faster car is exiting a turn and running wide that driver usually doesn't have good control and knocks into me. However, if I keep the racing line and hold the faster cars up through the corner but then lift after the corner exit to facilitate a pass I've found that works the best. It may anger the fast driver behind me, but we both make it through without incident.
If everyone followed the rules it would take the guesswork out of overtaking. The car behind wouldn't need to guess if the the slower car ahead is going to stick to the racing line or move aside for him.
If everyone followed the rules it would take the guesswork out of overtaking. The car behind wouldn't need to guess if the the slower car ahead is going to stick to the racing line or move aside for him.
What can go wrong?
Thank you for the selective treatment of the statements in the subject about blue flag rules that led to the last comment that sounds like 'I meant well and stopped in the middle of the bend'.
I'll stop the discussion here.
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Emilian Huminiuc
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I'll just chalk it up on "language barrier". Btw, you missed a very important word about F1What can go wrong?
Thank you for the selective treatment of the statements in the subject about blue flag rules that led to the last comment that sounds like 'I meant well and stopped in the middle of the bend'.
I'll stop the discussion here.
No @Emilian Huminiuc it's not a 'language barrier' but rudely omitting entire statements in order to gain an advantage (something the media very often does). Only you know why you did it because not for involving in meritory discussion for sure.
If you will quoted my entire posts and thought about what I wrote for a moment, several people would not have written complete nonsense that directly contradicts the principles of the regulations.
In previous posts, I explained everything in a short and clear way, along with the note that not everything always goes as planned.
This type of selective treatment of statements with sudden patting on the back by someone who even can't say something interesting in the subject should not happen. Not because I'm going to cry in the corner and have a mental breakdown. I just see that there's no point in being involved here. No one loses, everyone gains. At the end of the day it's all about have fun or learn from each other in a civil way (at least I though so).
I ended up the discussion because it is a waste of time. If someone thinks that blocking during the blue flag in apex during qualifications is okay, then I do not understand where these complaints about the low-level players in online sessions come from? After all, no one understands the fundamental principles common to motorsport, which I also mentioned.
Let everyone evaluate this pseudo-conversation for themselves and draw conclusions. Especially since an old comment from one of the users (@xyz.asdf) who described it in a very simplified way was almost completely ignored and that's why I quoted him.
Now you are trying putting a brave face and nothing more IMHO.
That's all from me. Have a nice evening.
If you will quoted my entire posts and thought about what I wrote for a moment, several people would not have written complete nonsense that directly contradicts the principles of the regulations.
In previous posts, I explained everything in a short and clear way, along with the note that not everything always goes as planned.
This type of selective treatment of statements with sudden patting on the back by someone who even can't say something interesting in the subject should not happen. Not because I'm going to cry in the corner and have a mental breakdown. I just see that there's no point in being involved here. No one loses, everyone gains. At the end of the day it's all about have fun or learn from each other in a civil way (at least I though so).
I ended up the discussion because it is a waste of time. If someone thinks that blocking during the blue flag in apex during qualifications is okay, then I do not understand where these complaints about the low-level players in online sessions come from? After all, no one understands the fundamental principles common to motorsport, which I also mentioned.
Let everyone evaluate this pseudo-conversation for themselves and draw conclusions. Especially since an old comment from one of the users (@xyz.asdf) who described it in a very simplified way was almost completely ignored and that's why I quoted him.
Now you are trying putting a brave face and nothing more IMHO.
That's all from me. Have a nice evening.
Aysedasi
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Hmmm, Szybki, not pleasant. Emilian is one of the most helpful guys on here. You talked about the predictable line and the reality (as Emilian said) is that the predictable line will normally be the racing line (whereas you suggested that it shouldn't be). And if I am one of the 'people' who you allege has written 'complete nonsense' about the regulations I take exception to that (as something of a 'veteran' of real-life WEC racing). I don't recall anyone defending 'blocking' at the apex under a blue flag. However holding the racing line at the apex when under a blue flag for a faster class of car or better positioned car is perfectly acceptable under the rules, something which isn't necessarily a principle common to all forms of motorsport.
But whatever. You enjoy your evening too.
But whatever. You enjoy your evening too.
This is where you went wrong.
"Predictable line is a consistent path. You are writing about the line which is optimal. In other words the fastest possible."
This sums up my approach to traffic, hold a smooth 'predictable' course, on- line ... off - line ... on a straight ... wherever.
I think the "consistent path" is the very important part of the statement.
This sums up my approach to traffic, hold a smooth 'predictable' course, on- line ... off - line ... on a straight ... wherever.
I think the "consistent path" is the very important part of the statement.
That's exactly what I wrote about. Thank you for this comment.
I'm not wrong here as some organizations can black flagged you in some circumstances. I should precise I wrote about consequences not a blue flag rule regulations. However keep in mind there are many blue flag signalling. Not just a one.
I've never questioned Emilian's commitment and value to the forum. That's not the case.Hmmm, Szybki, not pleasant. Emilian is one of the most helpful guys on here. You talked about the predictable line and the reality (as Emilian said) is that the predictable line will normally be the racing line (whereas you suggested that it shouldn't be). And if I am one of the 'people' who you allege has written 'complete nonsense' about the regulations I take exception to that (as something of a 'veteran' of real-life WEC racing). I don't recall anyone defending 'blocking' at the apex under a blue flag. However holding the racing line at the apex when under a blue flag for a faster class of car or better positioned car is perfectly acceptable under the rules, something which isn't necessarily a principle common to all forms of motorsport.
But whatever. You enjoy your evening too.
I agree that's not pleasant from my side but it's the same what I feel about yours statements not even try to read carefully what I wrote.
I'm happy @mikmorr understand what I tried to explain.
I 'banned' myself to totally cool down myself as I don't want to be 'persona non grata' on this forum.
I failed in discussion emotionally but I don't agree I was wrong.
I understand users with high reputation on forums are often defended by many people. However it shouldn't be done without reflexion.
However, I'd like to apologize to those who undoubtedly felt offended by my rather harsh comment. It's not easy to defend yourself to several people while constantly trying to point out their misunderstanding of what I wrote (intentional or not, it doesn't matter).
I hope we can discuss more subjects in the future, and I'll be more restrained at the same time.
I apologize for the harsh words @Emilian Huminiuc, you and probably the most @RhinomanWC who found himself between a rock and a hard place, and with whom I had quite a pleasant relationship from the beginning (I feel embarrassed here).
I hope this will be a good lesson for all of us on how to conduct discussions in the future.
Have a good day to all of you!
I updated my post immediately after your answer as you are right there Emilian.I'll just chalk it up on "language barrier". Btw, you missed a very important word about F1
I'm aware you want to close this subject in a gentle way.
I hope we can forget about it and my not-so-nice post will remain as an example for those with a hot head, which, as you can see, I have become in this discussion.
RhinomanWC
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Cool @Szybki , no worries. I personally didn't feel attacked at all. I live in a city where many different communication styles exist and I'm accommodating to people. Thanks for apologising though. Hope you have a good day / night as well!
Emilian Huminiuc
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All forgoten, no worries @Szybki.
davehenrie
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Ahhhh.....did I miss out on the part where somebody calls somebody else a dirtyrottendirtyscoundrelnogoodnick? (hell, that oughta tweek the translation apps)!
ChaosModel
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FINALLY!!!!! Someone else gets it. I don't know where this ideal ology came from but I can't even begin to count how many "simracers" I've heard go on and on after a race, "OMG you were blue flagged (or driving slower)...you should have moved!!!". Uhhhhh....why? A blue flag as xyz.asdf stated is INFORMATIONAL, "there is a faster car behind you". Nowhere in GT3 ruleset does it state that it's mandatory to "let them pass", see the following "In GT3 racing, a blue flag signals that a faster car is approaching and is about to be lapped. The slower car is NOT obligated to IMMEDIATELY yield the racing line but must not impede the faster car's pass. The slower car should maintain a consistent line and make reasonable efforts to facilitate a safe pass. It's not a requirement to pull over, but blocking or defending against the pass is not allowed.
But this mindset also just reinforces something I've come to see in this growing field, sadly. People just DONT know the rules and "ettiquette" as there is indeed a difference between GT3 and F1 rules. In my experience when talking to people about it, maybe 1 out of 9 know that a blackmarked or blue flagged car does not have to go out of their way to jump out of the way of the car behind and if so, it's done out of courtesy. Now I myself, will typically lift about 15% to allow them by AFTER I find an area on the track that doesn't slow me down, like coming out of a turn. But people are so impatient, they flash lights as if they're sending Morse code, make dive attempts and other reckless, idiotic maneuvers, at that point, well that's just confirming that while you may be fast, you have 0 race craft when it comes to driving around others. As I told my sim-league coach in NASRS once, "It's sad that so many good drivers will never be great racers because they refuse to learn how to do it properly.
ChaosModel
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Now, this, I can agree with you on. And any person doing that is just being a selfish jerk, the sim racing world is filled with them, so don't expect it to stop.....ever. Unless you join a league.
davehenrie
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I've spent probably 30 years being lapped repeatedly during ANY event, either offline or online. One of the biggest issues with sims like rFactor or GTR2(same code) was that once the field caught you up, you had a line of cars ALL triggering the timer. If you took too long letting the cars go by, you would get a penalty. LMU does a much better job of not piling car after car onto your penalty timer. (if it times the flag at all) I do think the flag is initiated sooner, i.e. when the trailing car is not yet in range to overtake.
But at least for AI, I have little complaint about blue flags(especially since I rarely am the overtaking car)
Online, perhaps some added code that tallys just how long blue flags were waved at your car. After a certain number of seconds, your DR should drop.
As far as blue flags not applying in practice sessions. How many grid spots of the past few years have been penalized at drivers not getting out of the way of drivers on a Hotlap during practices? EVERY session should follow the same rules, whether blue flags or speeding in the pits etc.
Remember though, if you catch a car at the corner entry, they can't just weave out of the way. they too have to complete their corner. Respecting the car in front is just as important as respecting the overtaking car.
But at least for AI, I have little complaint about blue flags(especially since I rarely am the overtaking car)
Online, perhaps some added code that tallys just how long blue flags were waved at your car. After a certain number of seconds, your DR should drop.
As far as blue flags not applying in practice sessions. How many grid spots of the past few years have been penalized at drivers not getting out of the way of drivers on a Hotlap during practices? EVERY session should follow the same rules, whether blue flags or speeding in the pits etc.
Remember though, if you catch a car at the corner entry, they can't just weave out of the way. they too have to complete their corner. Respecting the car in front is just as important as respecting the overtaking car.