Banning people for being intentionally reckless, yes, banning people for unsportsman like behaviour, yes, auto banning people for loosing the rear end of a car and hitting the barrier a few times, no. Good way to alienate a large population of the player base who ccasionally race and may spin a few too many times. Why not have a non-contact 'ghost' lobby for people instead of banning, oh sorry your are not very good at racing - ban. Terrible system. I'm a long time 'other simracing platform' user and never got banned nor reported beacuse I crashed out a few too many times.
Ban System is terrible
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Nectaria Coutayar
Well-known member
If you feel like you spin out too much, why race and not just practice first? Especially if you're that experienced on some obscure "other simracing platform", you should already have done that anyway.
Obviously, everyone here knows you don't get banned for hitting the wall "a few times" either, it's many many times over multiple races.
Obviously, everyone here knows you don't get banned for hitting the wall "a few times" either, it's many many times over multiple races.
John Tisbury
Active member
I don't feel we are getting the whole picture here of your driving history.
How the badge systems works
After your first 10 races (where you’ll display a Rookie badge), you will be assigned one of the following badges:
Good Driver - Demonstrates consistent, low-contact racing
Trusted Driver - An experienced racer with excellent on-track conduct
Warning - High contact ratio. Improvement needed to avoid penalties.
If your contact ratio remains high, you may receive an automatic ban from online play. Here’s how the system works:
Initial Warning - Gives you a chance to improve.
Automatic Ban - If no improvement is shown and contacts continue to get worse.
Probation Period - You return with a unique probation badge while being re-evaluated.
Progressive Penalties - Repeated bans increase in duration, and may eventually lead to permanent bans from online play.
Full details here:
How the badge systems works
After your first 10 races (where you’ll display a Rookie badge), you will be assigned one of the following badges:
Good Driver - Demonstrates consistent, low-contact racing
Trusted Driver - An experienced racer with excellent on-track conduct
Warning - High contact ratio. Improvement needed to avoid penalties.
If your contact ratio remains high, you may receive an automatic ban from online play. Here’s how the system works:
Initial Warning - Gives you a chance to improve.
Automatic Ban - If no improvement is shown and contacts continue to get worse.
Probation Period - You return with a unique probation badge while being re-evaluated.
Progressive Penalties - Repeated bans increase in duration, and may eventually lead to permanent bans from online play.
Full details here:
Emilian Huminiuc
Well-known member
The vast majority of people who enjoy these games don’t intentionally spoil others games they just make poor judgements or show poor skill. They may be new to the genre, be playing on single screens, low end equipment, occasionally race as they don’t have much time (I’m all of the above) but they are accidents. I don’t hold it against someone whom I’m racing if they spin out and make contact with me, it’s not intentional. We can’t all be great flawless drivers putting in massive time and effort for endless consistency and lap times. Could you imagine getting banned in ranked Overwatch because you died too many times in your last 5 games. Sorry you are not good enough to play this game - Banned. That’s the issue, banning is for unsportsmanlike and or purposeful wreckless behaviour, not because you aren’t very good. Auto banning for incidents is a lazy development choice, they could have added unranked lobbies for people who just want to race for fun, or to build up enough racing experience- racing AI is not the same as racing a human, how can you ever build up experience if you just get banned as you had a few spins had some off-tracks etc…
The point of a ranking system is to have low skilled people race low skilled people, there’s gonna be some bad driving for sure as that’s the nature of ranking, but to ban those people as they are low skilled that’s is terrible….
The point of a ranking system is to have low skilled people race low skilled people, there’s gonna be some bad driving for sure as that’s the nature of ranking, but to ban those people as they are low skilled that’s is terrible….
davehenrie
Well-known member
A) They ARE working on some sort of live marshaling. Probably only for the big eSport type events, but perhaps an AI trained marshall could examine many more incidents.
B) Contact seems to be a major influence for bans. Continually throwing your car into a corner can result in....contact...then when it happens to you from behind, the numbers escalate.
C) Low skill players can always game a ratings system by starting from pit lane and building up passes when others cause mayhem further up the field. So weeding those low skilled folks out isn't quite as 'simple' as some may expect.
B) Contact seems to be a major influence for bans. Continually throwing your car into a corner can result in....contact...then when it happens to you from behind, the numbers escalate.
C) Low skill players can always game a ratings system by starting from pit lane and building up passes when others cause mayhem further up the field. So weeding those low skilled folks out isn't quite as 'simple' as some may expect.
Nectaria Coutayar
Well-known member
Ty Chat GTP for this "opinion" which is totally different in nature of what this new member posted originally.
You could have done so much better in actually telling the truth, but no....
No chat GPT here, and it exactly matches my original post. Perhaps you should actually read it, perhaps you can’t read, you can’t obviously put a post together like mine yourself as you clearly feel like you would need ChatGTP, maybe ban you from the forum as you are not clever enough?
Nectaria Coutayar
Well-known member
Meanwhile, in the real world, you didn't tell us what actually happened. Just your distilled version of it.
Remember, most people aren't whining about bans, badges, DR/SR, whatever. They just have diamond ratings, P3's, and have good races.
mbr
Member
Automatic Ban is a fantastic way to improve the game quality in my opinion.
Let's start from the assumption that if you're a fair driver and crash occasionally, you'll never be banned. Never. This is how it currently works.
When you race online, in most games, you lose respect for other players. You often feel like you're "not being seen.".
The automatic system serves precisely this purpose. It only bans you if you're a player who consistently causes incidents or contacts.
Such a system is essential to ensure quality filtering when more than 400, 500, or 600 players join a match across multiple splits.
Very often, we ourselves are the cause of the problem. Sometimes it can be helpful to self-criticize and try to change something in ourselves.
It's also true that some people prefer casual, stress-free races, but that doesn't mean they automatically have the right to ruin the race for other players. In these cases, it might be better to consider racing against AI or CO-OP mode.
Happy racing!
Let's start from the assumption that if you're a fair driver and crash occasionally, you'll never be banned. Never. This is how it currently works.
When you race online, in most games, you lose respect for other players. You often feel like you're "not being seen.".
The automatic system serves precisely this purpose. It only bans you if you're a player who consistently causes incidents or contacts.
Such a system is essential to ensure quality filtering when more than 400, 500, or 600 players join a match across multiple splits.
Very often, we ourselves are the cause of the problem. Sometimes it can be helpful to self-criticize and try to change something in ourselves.
It's also true that some people prefer casual, stress-free races, but that doesn't mean they automatically have the right to ruin the race for other players. In these cases, it might be better to consider racing against AI or CO-OP mode.
Happy racing!
In the lower ranked there is going to be more contact, more mistakes, thats because its a low rank, and in fact I'm not ruining the race of others, I just spin out occasionally and hit the barrier, I'm not crashing into other cars left right and centre, being reckless taking risky manouvres or divebombing. In the below on the 19th I span the lexus and had to retire, someone turned into me also in that race. On the 12th some guy was blocking me and hit me as he was doing this, he span I didn't. 22nd I lost control on the last lap by putting a wheel on the curb had to retire, tried to limp to start line hit barrier as no brakes. The odd track limit in there too. Are those really worthy of being automatically banned, just for a couple of mistakes? So it seem the concensus is then that you cant make a few mistakes, if you do do are not good enough to be able to play with people, even with players who are of the same skill level. The ranking system is designed as a ranking system, you surely can't say ahhh man you are not very good as this game and therefore you don't deserve to play even at the lowest rank. May as well as just ban all bronze SR and be done with it so the elitists can race amongst themselves....
Emilian Huminiuc
Well-known member
Track limits are not part of the Badge system, so they don't lead to the automatic ban. Only contacts. Read the article I linked to earlier.
To be auto banned you have to have a very high contact ratio, to be in the worst 0.1%, that's the worst 1 in 1000 players, over the last 10 races...
And to respond to your analogy a few posts earlier with another: Yes I would very much like for a high ratio TK player to be banned (for a while) from any FPS I'd be in.
To be auto banned you have to have a very high contact ratio, to be in the worst 0.1%, that's the worst 1 in 1000 players, over the last 10 races...
And to respond to your analogy a few posts earlier with another: Yes I would very much like for a high ratio TK player to be banned (for a while) from any FPS I'd be in.
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New and Fast
New member
The biggest problem I see is that the system doesn't distinguish between whether you or your opponent causes a crash. No matter how cleanly you drive—say, at the start—someone might rear-end you, pushing you into another car, and you'll get a DF. At the same time, your safety rating drops again. I just can’t seem to get out of this trap. The only option would be to start from the pits and follow the field at half speed. That’s incredibly frustrating and will probably make me leave this sim, even though I really like the sim itself.
Aysedasi
Well-known member
Having been stuck at SRB0 for so long, I think you just need to do what you can do until you get yourself to SRS1. It's a great sim. You can still race, but you shouldn't be expecting to win or podium in every race. It's all about patience and the means to get to better racing.
Emilian Huminiuc
Well-known member
[try to] Finish the race, don't quit on the spot if you're involved in an incident.
New and Fast
New member
That's so annoying. In the last race, I drove super carefully to avoid crashing. On the final lap, I was in 9th place, and two cars in front of me took each other out. One of them came back onto the track and sent me into the wall. Instead of finishing 7th, I ended up 17th—and of course, I crashed again.
Darren Wilks
Active member
That's about perception unfortunately two cars collide? be ready to stop slow down the driver may be holding the brakes may not. Maybe holding the brakes but on grass so won't help. Don't brake and slow down when you're on top of them the yellows are there to make you aware and take action
I actually think SA is way too easy to gain right now. You basically have to not finish races and drive like a complete maniac to end up with negative SA. It doesn’t really reflect clean driving as much as it should.
They should make it significantly harder to earn SA so it actually means something and encourages better racecraft.
Badges are fine overall. The only thing I’d change is that hitting the wall in qualifying shouldn’t affect your rating only contact with other drivers should count.
They should make it significantly harder to earn SA so it actually means something and encourages better racecraft.
Badges are fine overall. The only thing I’d change is that hitting the wall in qualifying shouldn’t affect your rating only contact with other drivers should count.
robevery1971
Well-known member
My opinion, the system is designed with a flaw. SR is fairly easy to ascend, if you have some sense it is about clean laps and no contact.
DR is far harder to attain, and that is mainly to keep everyone bunched in a few ranks to make splits easier to sort out. Winning is very hard, meaning the best move away from everyone, which is the aim of DR in my view, elitism. Even if you are decent, you will not win many races, you have to be very, very good to do so. I think a much smaller percentage of overall players than in ANY other racing sim.
DR is far harder to attain, and that is mainly to keep everyone bunched in a few ranks to make splits easier to sort out. Winning is very hard, meaning the best move away from everyone, which is the aim of DR in my view, elitism. Even if you are decent, you will not win many races, you have to be very, very good to do so. I think a much smaller percentage of overall players than in ANY other racing sim.
I know it’s your opinion and we’re really not about silencing voices here, but how many people need to tell you you’re wrong before you stop repeating this?
DR isn’t SR. That’s why they’re called different things.