Any plans to fix the horrible LMGT3 BOP?

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DeRauder

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At the moment the LMGT3 BOP is the worst it has ever been.
Its obviously caused by the tyre update, but at the moment its a Lamborghine/Porsche cup on all tracks.
But even then all the frontengine cars (Corvette, Aston, Ford, BMW, Lexus) are at least 0.5 to 1 second off pace of all the other cars.
They got hit really hard with this change. Please give back our diversity in cars, and stop the Lambo/Porsche cups.
I want to see more diversity and not only midengine cars.
 
I'm not really finding it. The Porsche is now a lot quicker - but probably because it isn't such a dog to drive any more. The Macca is still pretty quick IMO.
 
Aysedasi said:
I'm not really finding it. The Porsche is now a lot quicker - but probably because it isn't such a dog to drive any more. The Macca is still pretty quick IMO.
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Not really finding it? You must be kidding right?
Go do some split 1 races in any front-engine car and see if you can keep up with the Lambo's and Porsches.
I have been driving the BMW, Ford and Aston the last few months, and if I now pick the Lambo or Porsche I am instantly 0,5 seconds quicker a lap without even practicing the car....
 
Rauder said:
Not really finding it? You must be kidding right?
Go do some split 1 races in any front-engine car and see if you can keep up with the Lambo's and Porsches.
I have been driving the BMW, Ford and Aston the last few months, and if I now pick the Lambo or Porsche I am instantly 0,5 seconds quicker a lap without even practicing the car....
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No, I'm not kidding. I've all of the GT3s extensively over the last fortnight and I seem to be pretty much as quick (if not quicker) with all of them.
 
Rauder said:
Not really finding it? You must be kidding right?
Go do some split 1 races in any front-engine car and see if you can keep up with the Lambo's and Porsches.
I have been driving the BMW, Ford and Aston the last few months, and if I now pick the Lambo or Porsche I am instantly 0,5 seconds quicker a lap without even practicing the car....
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I cant speak for split 1..I'm not good enough to be there. I've been spamming the Sebring wet daily this week (split 2) and theres been plenty of M4 in there and they've been very competitive.
The Mustang definitely needs something, the new tyre model has not that car any favours. Which is a shame as it was really good.
Cant comment on the Aston, I've never tried it.
 
Aysedasi said:
No, I'm not kidding. I've all of the GT3s extensively over the last fortnight and I seem to be pretty much as quick (if not quicker) with all of them.
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Every single topic on discord is about how bad the frontengine cars are right now.
So I guess your skill level is probably not so high so that it doesnt matter which car you drive.
But racers with high skill levels can certainly notice the big difference.
James Baldwin, and Dennis Lind (both professional racers) were streaming yesterday and they both tried out the Lambo first and then a frontend car after (Ford and Aston) and then they said: wow, these cars are so slow, such a big difference. And they are professional drivers.
You cant argue with that.....

Also Luke Addison was doing a comparison earlier this week, and he also showed there is at least 0.5 second gap between the Lambo/Porsche and the other cars....
 
Every statement from MSG has been the LMGT3 BOP is fluid and not final. ESPECIALLY since they haven't even finalized the tire. Any BOP changes now would have to be made again IF any further development is made to the GT3 tire.
I will add, in rF2 they never were able to BOP the BTCC cars between the front drivers and rear drivers. They essentially stopped using the Rear wheel drive cars for almost all online events.
I know FWD/RWD is not the same as front engine vs rear/mid engine. But it shows the uniqueness each car presents through the ISI physics engine. Without making major concessions to top speed or cornering between the two, finding a useful BOP may prove difficult.
 
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Rauder said:
So I guess your skill level is probably not so high so that it doesnt matter which car you drive.
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Thanks for the compliment.... No, I'm not particularly fast although I do have about 30 years of simracing experience behind me, so I make up in racecraft what I lose in speed. And if I choose to argue with pro racers, I certainly will.... Maybe they have 1400 hours and 600 online races in LMU, maybe not.... ;)
 
Aysedasi said:
Thanks for the compliment.... No, I'm not particularly fast although I do have about 30 years of simracing experience behind me, so I make up in racecraft what I lose in speed. And if I choose to argue with pro racers, I certainly will.... Maybe they have 1400 hours and 600 online races in LMU, maybe not.... ;)
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I know..his reply was a bit condesending.
 
I think it depends on track/weather, so BoP has to be different from track to another track.
single BoP for all tracks is inadequate, it's always some car is better than others on some track, and that's why we need BoP at all.
but devs can make BoP only after some number of races to see difference, they can't make BoP same time as releasing car (like Lambo and Lexus) and sometimes newly released car is initially better than others to boost DLC sales (iRacing does it constantly and after couple weeks BoPs new cars)
 
Aysedasi said:
It doesn't matter, I know I'm not very quick, but I do know how to race.... ;)
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I never said you dont know how to race.
The fact that you dont notice speed difference between cars, it doesnt mean the difference isn't there.
You are just not on that skill level.

The thing is:
If I put my 9 year old daughter behind the wheel, she wont notice any speed difference between the cars either.
That doesnt mean the difference isn't there. The difference is there.
Just look at the leaderboards and see top 20 is Lambo and Porsche with other cars 05. to a 1 second gap behind that.
 
Rauder said:
I never said you dont know how to race.
The fact that you dont notice speed difference between cars, it doesnt mean the difference isn't there.
You are just not on that skill level.

The thing is:
If I put my 9 year old daughter behind the wheel, she wont notice any speed difference between the cars either.
That doesnt mean the difference isn't there. The difference is there.
Just look at the leaderboards and see top 20 is Lambo and Porsche with other cars 05. to a 1 second gap behind that.
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sometimes it means that faster drivers use same car. drivers are faster, not car.
I don't switch cars, so I cannot say what one is faster.

when Lexus RC-F was released (alongside with tire model update, ruined old F296 setups) I was forced to leave F296 (to learn it again) and I tried Lexus for almost week, and my time with Lexus was almost same as with F296 (after I learned how to change setup for new tires and TC settings)
F296 was better by 0.2 sec at Spa or Le Mans, I don't remember
 
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Rauder said:
I never said you dont know how to race.
The fact that you dont notice speed difference between cars, it doesnt mean the difference isn't there.
You are just not on that skill level.
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Of course there are differences in speed between the cars, this isn't Formula Ford. Before the last update no-one drove the Porsche GT3 because it was markedly slower than all the other GT3s so everyone drove M4s. What comes around, goes around.... After the next update, it'll change again.
 
Aysedasi said:
I'm not really finding it. The Porsche is now a lot quicker - but probably because it isn't such a dog to drive any more. The Macca is still pretty quick IMO.
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Aysedasi said:
No, I'm not kidding. I've all of the GT3s extensively over the last fortnight and I seem to be pretty much as quick (if not quicker) with all of them.
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Aysedasi said:
Of course there are differences in speed between the cars, this isn't Formula Ford. Before the last update no-one drove the Porsche GT3 because it was markedly slower than all the other GT3s so everyone drove M4s. What comes around, goes around.... After the next update, it'll change again.
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This week, I've be driving the BMW exclusively around the wet Sebring. Yes, the leaderboards do show the Lambo to be the top car used by the top drivers. For me, I'm in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th splits. Against the Lambos, I'm keeping it on the track and having decent results. The Lambos seem to be more inconsistent in the races I do. I had one race with a 1st, 2nd and 3rd finish all using BMW....I've seen other races where the Mclaren was dominant. There is no doubt that the Lambo is a great racer.

Perhaps only the top drivers would notice that BOP is not equal. However, I do think that maybe only the top drivers may be able to find and use that meta. For us mere mortals...not in the top splits...I think there are more cars that we can and do use competitively. I think track and conditions also play a part.

I've watched some youtubers who are in the top of the leaderboards not use the Lambo and be very successful.

Could be the only way around this is to change BOP fairly frequently to ensure all cars get some love. I don't know what changing the BOP entails for the developers....maybe not an easy task? I don't care for this strategy, though. I'm a creature of habit and like the car I drive!!
 
Ofcourse there are differences, there always will be.
I dont care if a car is maybe 1 or 2 tenths quicker on a certain track, that is quite normal and inevetable
The problem starts when the differences are 0.5 to 1 seconds and are that amount faster on almost every track.
 
DeRauder said:
At the moment the LMGT3 BOP is the worst it has ever been.
Its obviously caused by the tyre update, but at the moment its a Lamborghine/Porsche cup on all tracks.
But even then all the frontengine cars (Corvette, Aston, Ford, BMW, Lexus) are at least 0.5 to 1 second off pace of all the other cars.
They got hit really hard with this change. Please give back our diversity in cars, and stop the Lambo/Porsche cups.
I want to see more diversity and not only midengine cars.
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Actually in Le Mans daily race thé Ferrari is the slowest
 
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