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Mr.Saiko

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I've qualified as expected but still get penalized for qualifying in the bottom half
I've finished higher than expected + finished in top half
-0.1%

now, losing .1% is nothing but when 3 out of 4 are green i should be gaining not losing rating
i feel like the system is too punishing and/or not rewarding enough


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It’s fine and a good system imo. You’re not going to get DR added for qualifying 16th out of 16 are you. And yes, you finished 9th, that’s great, but whether you get a DR increase depends on the relative DR ratings of the drivers around you.

I really wouldn’t worry too much. Main thing is you’re matched with people of your skill level. If you’re new to the sim, it’ll take a while for it to level out, especially as there are more players now.

There are plenty of other threads on here with much better explanations of DR/SR too. Just use the search function.
 
Yes, there have been a number of threads about this topic. I get the ELO rating and the relative performance to others. But having the commentary which doesn’t always make sense, doesn’t explain the relative performance, causes frustration. In this example, it can be interpreted that the qualifying performance was more important than the race performance. The commentary should be eliminated all together. Would be easier not to get bothered about it.
 
aaron0288 said:
It’s fine and a good system imo. You’re not going to get DR added for qualifying 16th out of 16 are you. And yes, you finished 9th, that’s great, but whether you get a DR increase depends on the relative DR ratings of the drivers around you.

I really wouldn’t worry too much. Main thing is you’re matched with people of your skill level. If you’re new to the sim, it’ll take a while for it to level out, especially as there are more players now.

There are plenty of other threads on here with much better explanations of DR/SR too. Just use the search function.
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the problem i see with this system, especially for SR is that people will try to farm or game the system by starting from the back or from the pits in order to unlock intermediate or higher races without actually learning how to race safely

if the system wasn't so punishing people would actually race normally
 
Mr.Saiko said:
the problem i see with this system, especially for SR is that people will try to farm or game the system by starting from the back or from the pits in order to unlock intermediate or higher races without actually learning how to race safely

if the system wasn't so punishing people would actually race normally
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SR and DR work completely differently.

I agree you can farm SR, but any automated system will have some sort of weakness.
 
FSzalay said:
I get the ELO rating and the relative performance to others. But having the commentary which doesn’t always make sense, doesn’t explain the relative performance, causes frustration. In this example, it can be interpreted that the qualifying performance was more important than the race performance. The commentary should be eliminated all together. Would be easier not to get bothered about it.
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THIS is the issue. I’ve raised it many times and I’m sure people are bored to tears with my comments but the commentary makes the process look wrong and it is easy then to assume that we are being hard done by.
 
Sometimes. But you need to hedge your bets and move up to intermediate or advanced (if you qualify). I did a lot of beginner races and suffered the carnage from time to time (although I got quite used to (and good at) avoiding it) but there is far less as you move up, especially in the long championship races. The only issue there is that I'm way down at the bottom of splits thanks to losing so much DR in the 3x and 4x events and at the time I can race there is often only one split with several players at the top who I'm not going to see for dust once the race starts. But I still enjoy myself in the knowledge that I'm never going to be one of them now, but I have had 11 months of insane fun with LMU..... ;)
 
I agree they should get rid of the dialogue and just show the % increase/decrease. But does it really matter? Main thing is that you have a good race. I don’t care if it’s for first or last, a good race is a good race.

Where I stand in a small online sim against a few thousand others doesn’t really matter, as long as it puts me up against drivers of a similar level. Which it does. These systems are never going to be perfect. It’s been explained many a time on here how they work. They simply can’t cater for all scenarios. If any of you have better ideas of how to implement them, I’m sure the devs will be all ears.
 
Mr.Saiko said:
I've qualified as expected but still get penalized for qualifying in the bottom half
I've finished higher than expected + finished in top half
-0.1%

now, losing .1% is nothing but when 3 out of 4 are green i should be gaining not losing rating
i feel like the system is too punishing and/or not rewarding enough


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GummimannRacing said:
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If I’ve understood it correctly, the reason your driver rating has gone down, even after finishing above where it predicted you to, is because the drivers around you/who beat you etc, had a lesser DR than yourself. So it’s all relative to the particular lobby you’re in. We all know that in the higher ranked lobbies, occasionally there’s only one split. So you may have a few drivers with very low DR in a top split race. Add in to the fact they could have a low DR because they’ve been super unlucky recently; been victims of poor driving, game crashes etc and are actually quicker and faster than you. They beat you, the game sees that a B2 driver has beaten an S1 driver… and even though the description says what it does, it hasn’t taken this into account. So you’ve lost DR because you’ve been beaten by an apparently slower driver.

Because I’ve had the game since launch, with so few players initially, most peoples DR have been overinflated. I’ve had some super lucky races and finished top 5 split 1, where I have no right to be. So there’s that too. Finishing first in split 1 but most of the other drivers have B1/2 DR is not going to increase my DR is it. Now there are more players, things are going to change lots. I mean outside of being super lucky or super unlucky, your DR should stay pretty stable once you reach your limit.

But yes, they really should get rid of all the bumf next to the results. It’s confusing and frustrating people even after they’ve had a good, fun race.
 
aaron0288 said:
If I’ve understood it correctly, the reason your driver rating has gone down, even after finishing above where it predicted you to, is because the drivers around you/who beat you etc, had a lesser DR than yourself. So it’s all relative to the particular lobby you’re in. We all know that in the higher ranked lobbies, occasionally there’s only one split. So you may have a few drivers with very low DR in a top split race. Add in to the fact they could have a low DR because they’ve been super unlucky recently; been victims of poor driving, game crashes etc and are actually quicker and faster than you. They beat you, the game sees that a B2 driver has beaten an S1 driver… and even though the description says what it does, it hasn’t taken this into account. So you’ve lost DR because you’ve been beaten by an apparently slower driver.

Because I’ve had the game since launch, with so few players initially, most peoples DR have been overinflated. I’ve had some super lucky races and finished top 5 split 1, where I have no right to be. So there’s that too. Finishing first in split 1 but most of the other drivers have B1/2 DR is not going to increase my DR is it. Now there are more players, things are going to change lots. I mean outside of being super lucky or super unlucky, your DR should stay pretty stable once you reach your limit.

But yes, they really should get rid of all the bumf next to the results. It’s confusing and frustrating people even after they’ve had a good, fun race.
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the issue with this ranking systems, like in other games too, is that it strongly depends on player count and "play time", the more you play/race the more accurate becomes and this is an indication that the system rewards quantity over quality
 
But what else can they do? I imagine it’s impossible to account for player numbers, otherwise they’d have already done it. You’ve said it yourself, all other games are like it. It is what it is.

Accept it, move on and you’ll enjoy the racing much more. Or like I said before, if you’ve got some ideas, I’m sure the devs will be all ears.
 
Mr.Saiko said:
the issue with this ranking systems, like in other games too, is that it strongly depends on player count and "play time", the more you play/race the more accurate becomes and this is an indication that the system rewards quantity over quality
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Isn't that the whole point of an ELO-based points system?
You need a certain quantity to determine a more accurate quality.
 
And just to show that it doesn't always go wrong..... I've just done the Intermediate WEC Xperience 40 minute race at Le Mans for Hypercars and GT3s. I didn't qualify at all as I had a technical issue which left me with insufficient time to get a lap in so I started dead last in GT3 - 13th. My aim was 6th, i.e. above half way and that's exactly what I did. (Interesting race with 2x fuel needing a fuel stop and just a tad of fuel saving at the end of each stint... ;)). Having done very little online racing so far this year since my DR was decimated by a couple of bad 4.0x championship races, I started in the 2nd of 3 lobbies and I suspect I must have been at the bottom of it. The result (at 2.0x of course) was quite pleasing for a change -

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But it does show that qualifying and finishing higher than expected/in the top half isn't the be-all and end-all of everything - beating half a dozen drivers who should have beaten you makes the real difference..... ;)
 
Aysedasi said:
And just to show that it doesn't always go wrong..... I've just done the Intermediate WEC Xperience 40 minute race at Le Mans for Hypercars and GT3s. I didn't qualify at all as I had a technical issue which left me with insufficient time to get a lap in so I started dead last in GT3 - 13th. My aim was 6th, i.e. above half way and that's exactly what I did. (Interesting race with 2x fuel needing a fuel stop and just a tad of fuel saving at the end of each stint... ;)). Having done very little online racing so far this year since my DR was decimated by a couple of bad 4.0x championship races, I started in the 2nd of 3 lobbies and I suspect I must have been at the bottom of it. The result (at 2.0x of course) was quite pleasing for a change -

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But it does show that qualifying and finishing higher than expected/in the top half isn't the be-all and end-all of everything - beating half a dozen drivers who should have beaten you makes the real difference..... ;)
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I feel you! I was mid S1 Driver rank before the November Update an because of technical issues i collected about 10 DNF and got downranked Back to start of B3 and lost my Motivation and Quit for 2 months. Now I AM BACK BABY!!! Its all about the mindest!
 
Mr.Saiko said:
the issue with this ranking systems, like in other games too, is that it strongly depends on player count and "play time", the more you play/race the more accurate becomes and this is an indication that the system rewards quantity over quality
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You're linking those two much too strongly.

New players come in with B3 DR. They can go up with good results... and they can go down. You don't need hundreds of results to make it somehow favour you more, it just shifts you around based on each result, and over (a relatively short) time you'll start to end up where you should be (the further you are from where you should be, the faster you'll move).

The issue, as we've all been saying since the start, is that the game tries to summarise your performance with these lines, including the top- and bottom-half of the field, but really it's almost exclusively about DR and your results compared to others.


The other confusion I see: this isn't championship points. Sometimes people complain that bad qualifying makes them lose points, when "only the race result should matter." If it was championship points, sure. This is Driver Rating. Qualifying is a skill, so if you race as well as others but don't qualify as well, it makes sense you should have a lower DR.

Aysedasi said:
Yep. That makes absolutely no sense to me at all, it never has. But it is what it is, as they say, as there is no inclination to try and find anything better.
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You constantly say it doesn't make sense to you, yet in nearly every of these threads it gets explained again, and you know the summary is to be ignored. Surely it does make sense to you? It's just DR. It's based on the results. That's how it makes sense.
 
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