90 min race and not allowed to change all tires?

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Christian Prinz

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Why are we only allowed to change front tires in 90 min race? This is ridiculous!
Come on!
This destroys the whole race.
Why?
This is no thing irl so it should not be a thing in sim.
 
Perhaps they are trying to extrapolate the strategy of tire conservation, which IS very common in WEC events. Just because the race is only 90 minutes and not 6hrs or 24hrs doesn't mean they can't try to bring elements of endurance racing to shorter events. By your logic, there should be no races with 2x tire wear or 2x fuel consumption nor any races shorter than 6hrs. Endurance racing encompasses a great deal more than just an all out Sprint.
 
davehenrie said:
Perhaps they are trying to extrapolate the strategy of tire conservation, which IS very common in WEC events. Just because the race is only 90 minutes and not 6hrs or 24hrs doesn't mean they can't try to bring elements of endurance racing to shorter events. By your logic, there should be no races with 2x tire wear or 2x fuel consumption nor any races shorter than 6hrs. Endurance racing encompasses a great deal more than just an all out Sprint.
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No, you missed my point completely.
They can do 2x tire wear, no problem.
But it is ridiculous that you only allowed to change front tires.
You leave the pit and you have front 100% and rear 60%.
Do you know what happens?
 
This is no thing irl so it should not be a thing in sim.

That was your point, not mine, there is no 2x fuel use in real life. Based on your statement then, it should not be allowed in the sim. There is no 50% damage in real life. Thus all races should have 100% damage all the time. Time of day does not magically speed up in real life. The track does not rubber in faster because a medium or heavy Real Road setting was chosen.
This sim allows many options that never happen IRL. So the online race devs are choosing elements to increase strategy which is often the single most repeated criticism of iR's Hyper cars in that every race is just a sprint. Forcing drivers to manage tire wear requires more than just mashing the throttle/brake pedals. Knowing you have to take care of your rear tires demands a different style of driving. LMU is a thinking man's sim.(thus one of many reasons why I suck at it!!!)
 
davehenrie said:
This is no thing irl so it should not be a thing in sim.

That was your point, not mine, there is no 2x fuel use in real life. Based on your statement then, it should not be allowed in the sim. There is no 50% damage in real life. Thus all races should have 100% damage all the time. Time of day does not magically speed up in real life. The track does not rubber in faster because a medium or heavy Real Road setting was chosen.
This sim allows many options that never happen IRL. So the online race devs are choosing elements to increase strategy which is often the single most repeated criticism of iR's Hyper cars in that every race is just a sprint. Forcing drivers to manage tire wear requires more than just mashing the throttle/brake pedals. Knowing you have to take care of your rear tires demands a different style of driving. LMU is a thinking man's sim.(thus one of many reasons why I suck at it!!!)
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Ok, you really didnt get my point.
If they do 2x tire wear, that is ok for me.
Just don’t let us change only front tires - that makes no sense. You get a unbalanced grip wich makes the car drive like shit.
Now understanding?
 
You can change whichever 2 tyres you want, but only 2 at a time, as you only have 6 tyres in total available.
You could change the rears early on for new then change the fronts with the used ones that you took off from the rear later on, if you want more balanced grip. (There's even the possibility that you gain 2s overall by doing this instead of a full set at once, as the change was only 5s for the fronts, at least in tonight's race, so that would make it only 10s lost with the tyre changes, instead of the 12s for a full set change)
 
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Emilian Huminiuc said:
You can change whichever 2 tyres you want, but only 2 at a time.
You could change the rears early on for new then change the fronts with the used ones that you took off from the rear later on, if you want more balanced grip. (There's even the possibility that you gain 2s overall by doing this instead of a full set at once, as the change was only 5s for the fronts, at least in tonight's race, so that would make it 10s lost with the tyre changes, instead of the 12s for a full set change)
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How much time will you loose when you do more changes than others? Makes no sense.

But the main question is: Why only 2? Why not 4? There is no good reason to do such stupid rules wich you wont find irl.
 
Frankly it’s bizarre to limit drivers to 6 tyres. Either give us a full change or make us do the whole event on the same tyres. It bears no relationship at all to real life.
 
Probably true Emilian, but it’s still bizarre, however you choose to look at it. You’re not telling me that the decision was made to limit us to 6 tyres so we can gain time in the way you suggest? That’s no more than a lucky by-product. I appreciate that things are adjusted, such as the 2x and 3x fuel and wear as we can’t all do 4 and 6 hour races but allowing 6 tyres appears to be completely arbitrary and thus open to debate.
 
No, it is that way to make it challenging, either save tyres, or gamble on changing them, or strategize the way I suggested above.
I for one had no issue with the fresh tyres on the front for the last stint.
Be thankful they start the Race at 100% and not with the wear they have after being run in Quali :p
 
I had no issue either (as my rears were still well over 80%), but I still consider it completely daft and bearing no possible relation to reality. But once again, it’s an ‘it is what it is’ as clearly it’s considered to be a useful thing to bring into play…
 
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Christian Prinz said:
The issue is to allow only changing front tires.
To prevent allow to change front and rear.
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Yes, it is capricious. But done for the reasons I already stated. To include strategy in your racing. I've seen WEC teams at Bahrain change 1 tire and then 2 at the next stop. One rear tire hung on for two full stints due to the nature of the circuit. Teams DO change only some of the tires....in the WEC example they changed both left side tires one stint but left the right side unchanged.
Not including such artificial hindrances means most races would be just one stop or even no stops without any thought to changing 1,2,3 or 4 tires. And you get the same race, over and over again.....and again....
 
Yeah, I get that, but changing the odd one or two tyres is pretty much never a blanket strategic call - it's more often a 'needs must' call. By imposing a 6 tyre limit, you're imposing the call on everyone. And once you've done it once, everyone is wise to it.
 
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In real life for a six hour WEC race, cars get 18 tyres to cover qualification and race.
That will give you between 10 to14 tyres for the actual race.
Is LMU looking to "mimic" this by having a reduced tyre allocation scheme?

What you think SHOULD be the tyre allocation in LMU for any given race length?
 
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