+10 penalty - how to serve?

rimboo

rimboo

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Got one at Long Beach. MFD during normal racing said N/A in the Penalty row. CrewChief would not shut up about it for 10 laps. Finally I had to pit for damage repair and <10> appeared in the penalty row. Penalty cleared.

Poorly implemented. No info on the reason for the penalty either.

Was there any other way I should go about this +10 penalty?
 
rimboo said:
Got one at Long Beach. MFD during normal racing said N/A in the Penalty row. CrewChief would not shut up about it for 10 laps. Finally I had to pit for damage repair and <10> appeared in the penalty row. Penalty cleared.

Poorly implemented. No info on the reason for the penalty either.

Was there any other way I should go about this +10 penalty?
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If I understand it correctly, you will automatically serve it at the pitstop, or if you don't do a pitstop, it is added postrace. It is thereby identical to Formula 1.
Maybe there should be a small handbook where this is noted down, like a how to play (including the official rules).
 
rimboo said:
Poorly implemented. No info on the reason for the penalty either.
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The lack of an in game explanation for penalties has been one of my complaints as well. It's hard to learn from your mistakes if you don't know exactly what they are. Even a post race recap with the reason for a penalty would be helpful.
 
Blue_Monkey said:
If I understand it correctly, you will automatically serve it at the pitstop, or if you don't do a pitstop, it is added postrace. It is thereby identical to Formula 1.
Maybe there should be a small handbook where this is noted down, like a how to play (including the official rules).
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This has been my understanding but CrewChief yapping threw me off.
SaltyDog said:
The lack of an in game explanation for penalties has been one of my complaints as well. It's hard to learn from your mistakes if you don't know exactly what they are. Even a post race recap with the reason for a penalty would be helpful.
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Trace file in Userdata supposedly contains the reason stated.
 
rimboo said:
Trace file in Userdata supposedly contains the reason stated.
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I only recently learned about Trace.txt file from davehenry, and there is A LOT of data in it, but it's fairly hard to parse it and find what you need. Better than nothing though.
 
SaltyDog said:
I only recently learned about Trace.txt file from davehenry, and there is A LOT of data in it, but it's fairly hard to parse it and find what you need. Better than nothing though.
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lol, the only way to peruse a trace.txt file is to search for specific terms, like penalty. Far FAR too much information in that document. Unless, of course, your game crashes. THEN look at the very end of the trace.txt.
The following will explain some of the penalties, but when I posted this, I had not experienced a time penalty, so there is no information on that particular penalty. MOST penalties need to be served within 3 laps, and you must use the MFD to toggle from pitstop to penalty. Otherwise your crew will perform a pitstop and you will have to go around again to try and serve the penalty again. (unless the penalty is a Drive Thru, then just happily motor past your waiting pitcrew with their big red flashing arrow)

Penalty Icons Show & Tell

Below are some examples of the icons used to indicate you have a penalty to serve. This is the Drive Through Penalty 1. Upper Center of the Screen. >>> 2. DT shown next to your name 3. DT shown next to your name There will also be a text box below your Lap times on the right indicating what...
community.lemansultimate.com community.lemansultimate.com
 
rimboo said:
Got one at Long Beach. MFD during normal racing said N/A in the Penalty row. CrewChief would not shut up about it for 10 laps. Finally I had to pit for damage repair and <10> appeared in the penalty row. Penalty cleared.

Poorly implemented. No info on the reason for the penalty either.

Was there any other way I should go about this +10 penalty?
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Sounds like a stop and go 10 second penalty, use to get disqualified if you didn't stop within 3 laps. :unsure:
 
rimboo said:
Got one at Long Beach. MFD during normal racing said N/A in the Penalty row. CrewChief would not shut up about it for 10 laps. Finally I had to pit for damage repair and <10> appeared in the penalty row. Penalty cleared.

Poorly implemented. No info on the reason for the penalty either.

Was there any other way I should go about this +10 penalty?
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Can you give a brief description of when this occurred? I'd like to try and duplicate it. Was it during the start? Or while racing another car?
Which class car?
Thanks
 
davehenrie said:
Can you give a brief description of when this occurred? I'd like to try and duplicate it. Was it during the start? Or while racing another car?
Which class car?
Thanks
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It was definitely during a chaotic race start, so who knows. Most probably a short overspeed during formation right before green lights started to appear. Otherwise it would have been a DT. And I am 100% positive I entered the pits after many more laps than just 3.

Let me remind you all that LMU has some text to inform on laps left to serve a penalty. No such text was visible. So it all worked as if by design.
 
rimboo said:
It was definitely during a chaotic race start, so who knows. Most probably a short overspeed during formation right before green lights started to appear. Otherwise it would have been a DT. And I am 100% positive I entered the pits after many more laps than just 3.

Let me remind you all that LMU has some text to inform on laps left to serve a penalty. No such text was visible. So it all worked as if by design.
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Did you check the race results for dq or did you get a finished position.
 
V1.4.2.3 - Update 1.4, Patch 2, Hotfix 3 - 30th September
Build ID 25611540
  • Fixed an issue with mass penalties during race starts on shorter layouts with a large grid
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Hopefully this helps
 
I definitely saw ppl getting +10 on the start.
Not sure what happened, though.

Time penalties were introduced in 1.2 but I can't find patch notes mentioning the start.
It would make some sense that if P2 gets ahead of P1 before the green it is treated like an illegal overtake.
But I guess no one except the programmer knows whats really going on
 
Code: 
2180.53s TireInventor  149: LTR: Saving tire wear, wl: 3, tireIndex: 2, compIndex: 0, wear before -> after: 96.841509 -> 96.406769
2180.53s NetCommClien 2658: Sending tire to dedi, wheelLoc: 3 tireIndex: 2, compoundIndex 0, wearValue: 96.406769
2180.53s garage.cpp   1632: Enforced player garage selection: 0/4, 0/4, 0/4, 0/4
2180.53s NetCommClien 5386: [NETLOG] VEHSTATE- Attempting to send my vehicle state to the server
2180.71s NetCommClien 5421: [NETLOG] VEHSTATE-Putting my vehicle state (slot 28) on the server. state is of session: Race
2180.76s NetCommClien 5434: [NETLOG] VEHSTATE-recieved confirmation that dedi recieved my vehicle state
2181.17s score.cpp    4029: Track Limits: Illegal Passes 1; Lap: 4 LapDist: 34.48
2181.17s score.cpp    3962: Track Limits Illegal Pass 10 Time Penalty
2181.17s score.cpp    1230: Network penalty et=472.8 "Illegal Pass" 3 10 0 0
2181.17s score.cpp     627: Track Limits: WarnPts: 3.75 Pts: 3.70 ET: 21.54 PlaceDiff: 5.00 TimeSkipped: -1.46 OnLimit: 0.50 BrakingZone: -0.37  OnLimitGripAverage: 1.13  TimeRatio: 0.00 OffTime: 0.02 OffThrottle: 0.01 SpeedDiffLeave: 0.00 SpeedDiffRejoin: 0.00 DistPts: -0.00 WallPts 0.00 PitPits: 0.00 PtsScaling: 0.99 MaxOffTrack: 0.63 ResetOffTrackDist: 0
2181.17s score.cpp    1371: Local penalty et=472.8 3 10 0 0 "Illegal Pass"
2182.28s NetCommClien 2144: [NETLOG] Sent Sync Event @ et=473.927500
2190.10s score.cpp    4107: Track Limits: Valid Pit Entry - Reset Left Track. Original OT: 0.04, New OT: -0.56
2190.12s score.cpp    4107: Track Limits: Valid Pit Entry - Reset Left Track. Original OT: 0.11, New OT: -0.58
2190.15s score.cpp    4107: Track Limits: Valid Pit Entry - Reset Left Track. Original OT: 0.16, New OT: -0.60
2190.17s score.cpp    4107: Track Limits: Valid Pit Entry - Reset Left Track. Original OT: 0.20, New OT: -0.62
2190.18s score.cpp    4107: Track Limits: Valid Pit Entry - Reset Left Track. Original OT: 0.23, New OT: -0.64
2190.20s score.cpp    4107: Track Limits: Valid Pit Entry - Reset Left Track. Original OT: 0.25, New OT: -0.67
2190.23s score.cpp    4107: Track Limits: Valid Pit Entry - Reset Left Track. Original OT: 0.27, New OT: -0.70
2190.25s score.cpp    4107: Track Limits: Valid Pit Entry - Reset Left Track. Original OT: 0.29, New OT: -0.73
2190.26s score.cpp    4107: Track Limits: Valid Pit Entry - Reset Left Track. Original OT: 0.31, New OT: -0.76
2190.28s NetCommClien 2144: [NETLOG] Sent Sync Event @ et=481.927500

Found it. Illegal pass Lap 4. Not that it matters to me. To me it matters that the game interface is not clear about how to serve the penalty.

Note: trace_2026_09_28_16_11_06-59.txt
 
rimboo said:
the game interface is not clear about how to serve the penalty
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I'm all for in game explanations, but come on, a time penalty is pretty self explanatory.

I'll give you this:
Penalties should be shown in the post race screen (instead of the excessive chevronism)
along with exact time and reason. That would solve most penalty questions.
One could check the replay and immediately see/learn what happened
Someone could make this into a feature request
 
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